Clover and Mark talk to Stephen Mattos (Arab On Radar, Doomsday Student, Athletic Automaton) about music by Voivod, The Birthday Party, and Captain Beefheart. Plus he tells us about his solo project Chrome Jackson and his new band There (featuring members of The Chinese Stars and Daughters). Plus stories about David Byrne, John Lurie, Frank Zappa, and more. Somehow Weird Al does not come up during this episode.